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    Re; Lenovo Laptop Love..Not!

    Story: Lenovo Laptop Love..Not!Total Replies: 16
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    ckrzen

    Nov 02, 2019
    11:48 AM EDT
    Congrats, Scott!

    Persistence has paid off and you will have learned more than you knew before!

    Like the emergence of the first protozoa from the primordial M$ soup, you are creating positive change to the status-quo.

    Now gaze up at the stars and ... wonder where you can go from here!
    seatex

    Nov 02, 2019
    1:12 PM EDT
    Glad you got it sorted out, Scott. That 8th-Gen Intel CPU has pretty good power for a 15W chip.

    The 1TB SSD is great! Now just feed that thing some more memory for multitasking and VMs. 16GB should be comfortable.
    mbaehrlxer

    Nov 02, 2019
    6:45 PM EDT
    has anyone here tried running linux through WSL? unfortunately for banking i need windows with USB support, which, as i understand may not be working well inside a virtual machine, and dual boot is not an option for me. so i have been thinking about using WSL (with fedora) as my primary desktop on that machine instead.

    how much does windows get in the way when doing that? i really dread working on a machine that runs windows underneath, but if the VM doesn't work then my only other alternative is to carry around another laptop just so i can do banking on the road (which is what i am doing now, and i am getting tired of the weight)

    greetings, eMBee.
    gus3

    Nov 02, 2019
    7:27 PM EDT
    I think "how much does ${OS} get in the way?" should be hung over every door in every corporate OS development house in the world. And I'm sure you (the reader) have some ideas of who should read it.
    jdixon

    Nov 02, 2019
    9:44 PM EDT
    > has anyone here tried running linux through WSL?

    The command line version of Ubuntu worked fairly well when I tried it out.

    There are now two versions of WSL though, and I haven't tried the later one.

    > unfortunately for banking i need windows with USB support, which, as i understand may not be working well inside a virtual machine,

    The VirtualBox extensions handle USB fairly well, as far as I know. For business use you need a license though.

    But why not use Windows as the host OS and use Linux in the virtual machine? No one says you have to primarily use the host OS.
    nmset

    Nov 03, 2019
    12:21 PM EDT
    >But why not use Windows as the host OS and use Linux in the virtual machine?

    His machine is already choking while running Windows as the host OS, another OS on top of that would be near impossible, guessing.
    mbaehrlxer

    Nov 03, 2019
    11:26 PM EDT
    well, it comes down to a test. keep in mind that i want linux to be my primary GUI desktop. so it depends on how well that works. having windows in the VM would be my preferred option really, if i can make it work. but that is straight forward to test. so what i am really asking is if anyone has experience with the alternative solutions.

    Linux in a VM would require the laptop to have sufficient memory. i am currently targeting 8GB, as i found that 4GB is not enough for my day-to-day work. the VM solution might mean that i need more so that i can give 8GB to the VM.

    the reverse case would not have this problem, as i can put a windows VM to sleep and free the memory while i do normal work, and i'd only need a few GB when i wake it up. however, that is also subject to testing.

    i do believe that WSL would not have this memory problem, but that in fact may not be true. after all, windows is still running and taking up memory, so i might need more than 8GB there too.

    so the questions are (my homework to figure this out, and for anyone who likes to play along :-) :

    how much memory does windows need as a host, with linux as a VM? how well does linux work as a desktop when running inside a VM?

    how much memory does windows need as a host, with linux running in WSL? how well does WSL work as a linux desktop? (does it at all?)

    how well does USB work in a windows VM? (meaning: i need to test my particular use case of a bank security token)

    is there another option? can i hibernate linux while booting linux? (the short answer is that i actually have this working on an old laptop. it is annoying to switch and have to disable linux while booting windows, but at least i don't loose state on the linux side (it also keeps state on windows, but i care less about that)

    greetings, eMBee.
    nmset

    Nov 04, 2019
    3:32 AM EDT
    >how well does linux work as a desktop when running inside a VM? ... how well does USB work in a windows VM?

    There are two machines at work dual booting Linux and Windows 7. On one host OS, the other one is guest in VirtualBox. The latter forwards very well specified USB peripherals to the guest. Linux as a guest, allowed 4GB RAM (half of total RAM) and all four cores runs nearly as native. Don't expect to play GPU intensive games here. Windows 7 as a guest is more quiet if allowed 2GB RAM instead of four, and two cores instead of four.

    How about changing bank for tokenless ones ? LOL ! But not really. AFAIK, tokens are not used in internet banking here (FR).
    mbaehrlxer

    Nov 04, 2019
    12:58 PM EDT
    changing banks is not an option, as this is not personal but for a company, and changing that would be a bureaucratic nightmare.

    > forwards very well specified USB peripherals to the guest

    this is what worries me. i fear that the banks USB token may not be well specified since it is not a standard peripheral (like a disk, but could be something entirely custom)

    games is another issue. not as critical, and the games i like to play are not the newest, so they may work in the VM but we'll see...

    greetings, eMBee.
    ckrzen

    Nov 05, 2019
    10:02 AM EDT
    @mbaehrlxer: I run Win10(1903) in KVM/QEMU(libvirt) using "GNOME Boxes". USB redirection is working well in Fedora 30/31. I usually setup a customized VM using "virt-manager" in a "qemu:///session" with Spice guest tools so that I can access it from gnome-boxes. This is so that we can deposit checks using a USB check scanner. All F/OSS, so no need for a business-use license.
    Scott_Ruecker

    Nov 08, 2019
    3:41 PM EDT
    Update:

    So far my Linux Mint install is running perfectly. Every program I have opened works, surfing the web is awesome in that I can have 10-15+tabs open in my browser and they all load and I have no freezing issues. I have wanted to try out a chromebook in the recent past but after finally getting my love (Linux) installed on my laptop I have no wants or needs anymore. :-)

    Scott
    caitlynm

    Jan 15, 2020
    5:40 PM EDT
    My work laptop is a Lenovo ThinkPad T480. It's running CentOS 8.1 (8.0 before today) and everything works as expected. It did need a firmware upgrade when I first did the install but that was easy enough. I do like the machine.
    Scott_Ruecker

    Jan 22, 2020
    2:04 PM EDT
    Well..There's not much you can do when it will not turn on any longer. :-(

    About two weeks ago my wonderful Linux Laptop decided not to power up anymore and there is not much I can do about it besides take it to a 'repair' shop and pay more than it is worth to try and fix it. I took it to one and priced it and they won't even tell me how much the final cost might be. The laptop brand new cost roughly $400 and besides, I don't have the money to fix it. I am better off 'saving up' to buy another one if possible.

    Without it even turning on I am basically carrying around a paperweight. It just makes me sad that after succeeding at finally getting it the way I want it now it does this. It was given to me so I can't complain that I didn't get "my money's worth" but still, ugh.

    Scott

    jdixon

    Jan 22, 2020
    4:07 PM EDT
    > Well..There's not much you can do when it will not turn on any longer. :-(

    I assume it's dead on both the power supply and battery and that you've tried another power supply, Scott?
    ckrzen

    Jan 23, 2020
    11:48 AM EDT
    @Scott: I consistently have great results on ``ThinkPad`` laptops with Linux. Gently used ones from a couple of years back are truly an unbeatable value! May I suggest that you take a look at a ``grade B`` or ``grade C`` ThinkPad T450:

    1. newegg.com/p/pl?N=100006740%204018&d=thinkpad%20t450&Order=PRICE

    or

    2. amazon.com/Lenovo-ThinkPad-i5-5300U-Certified-Refurbished/dp/B07GCRBLQS
    Scott_Ruecker

    Jan 23, 2020
    4:15 PM EDT
    >I assume it's dead on both the power supply and battery and that you've tried another power supply, Scott?

    I tried several different power supplies.

    Thank you for the links to other laptops. :-)
    gus3

    Jan 24, 2020
    7:08 AM EDT
    Also, I hope you have backups of any critical data on the dead laptop. If not, do you have a recovery procedure in place?

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